Comments on: Daily Mail Warns: UK Muslims Want To Destroy You! http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/ Taking a different one on the news Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:38:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: paddyjames http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5767 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:23:29 +0000 http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5767 Yeah well, when it comes to the Daily Mail it actually cheers me up as it's so obsessed with property values, gays, foreigners, Europe etc. It also has an incredible hatred of women who don't confirm to its stereotype. However, just cheer yourself up by reading Private Eye, or badscience.com to enjoy the best critique of its new age/cranky science world view. Yeah well, when it comes to the Daily Mail it actually cheers me up as it’s so obsessed with property values, gays, foreigners, Europe etc. It also has an incredible hatred of women who don’t confirm to its stereotype. However, just cheer yourself up by reading Private Eye, or badscience.com to enjoy the best critique of its new age/cranky science world view.

]]> by: Stephen Ball http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5766 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:08:23 +0000 http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5766 Well, a previous survey said that 15% of muslims wanted sharia law, including the milder liberal forms of sharia, and not encompassing all aspects of criminal justice. Of the muslims that made up that 15% answer, only 1% were women. I find it hard to believe that either the muslim women in favour of sharia jumped to match the men, or over 70% of muslim men in the UK want sharia law. I don't think the "UK muslim community" is uniform enough to want anything. I'll accept that full Sharia is completely incompatible with western democracy, and that attitudes to other nationalities, races and religions from everyone involved are pretty reprehensible, but I'm still having trouble with the figures the Daily Mail gives and the type of Sharia it implies. Well, a previous survey said that 15% of muslims wanted sharia law, including the milder liberal forms of sharia, and not encompassing all aspects of criminal justice. Of the muslims that made up that 15% answer, only 1% were women.

I find it hard to believe that either the muslim women in favour of sharia jumped to match the men, or over 70% of muslim men in the UK want sharia law.

I don’t think the “UK muslim community” is uniform enough to want anything. I’ll accept that full Sharia is completely incompatible with western democracy, and that attitudes to other nationalities, races and religions from everyone involved are pretty reprehensible, but I’m still having trouble with the figures the Daily Mail gives and the type of Sharia it implies.

]]> by: paddyjames http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5762 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:57:06 +0000 http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5762 Of course the problem is both could be true; you want it to be so and the think-tank definitely has an agenda. However the real issue is that when the non-muslim community (have you ever heard the views some Hindus & Sikhs have about Muslims?) says muslims care more about muslims than kaffirs they were called bigots. The UK muslim community never objected to foreign policy in Ireland, or in any other country that wasn't muslim. However, if we accept Iraq is muslim (obviously the Ba'ath regime was secular and anti-islamic) then it's clear the UK muslim community believes that kaffirs have no right to intervene in muslim countries. Just like Osama bin Laden. Of course the problem is both could be true; you want it to be so and the think-tank definitely has an agenda. However the real issue is that when the non-muslim community (have you ever heard the views some Hindus & Sikhs have about Muslims?) says muslims care more about muslims than kaffirs they were called bigots. The UK muslim community never objected to foreign policy in Ireland, or in any other country that wasn’t muslim. However, if we accept Iraq is muslim (obviously the Ba’ath regime was secular and anti-islamic) then it’s clear the UK muslim community believes that kaffirs have no right to intervene in muslim countries. Just like Osama bin Laden.

]]> by: Stephen Ball http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5760 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:39:43 +0000 http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5760 No, it's based on the number of Muslims I've met. 4/10's of them didn't want Sharia law... in fact 1/10 didn't. Now, it could be I'm a liberal (I am) and I was mixing with liberal Muslims (not actually the case, but fair enough). The groups do exist, no question, but I find it much easier to believe that a right-wing thinktank has an agenda - and the Daily Mail has no credibility - than that those numbers are anywhere near realistic for UK muslims. No, it’s based on the number of Muslims I’ve met. 4/10’s of them didn’t want Sharia law… in fact 1/10 didn’t. Now, it could be I’m a liberal (I am) and I was mixing with liberal Muslims (not actually the case, but fair enough). The groups do exist, no question, but I find it much easier to believe that a right-wing thinktank has an agenda - and the Daily Mail has no credibility - than that those numbers are anywhere near realistic for UK muslims.

]]> by: paddyjames http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5757 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:01:26 +0000 http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5757 Ok, I lived in East London for 15 years and many people in the asian community (regardless of religion) were aware of people who had fought in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya. How many English WASPs have volunteered for neo-Nazi terrorist groups to fight abroad? Again, isn't your gut feeling on Muslim liberalism your own white liberal wishful thinking? Ok, I lived in East London for 15 years and many people in the asian community (regardless of religion) were aware of people who had fought in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya. How many English WASPs have volunteered for neo-Nazi terrorist groups to fight abroad? Again, isn’t your gut feeling on Muslim liberalism your own white liberal wishful thinking?

]]> by: Stephen Ball http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5756 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:45:37 +0000 http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5756 Because while it's potentially true on paper (and the old testament isn't any better), it's blatantly not true among actual Muslims in real life - not any that I or anyone I know has ever met. There's extremists in every group, but *4 out of 10*?! I think I'd have noticed... Because while it’s potentially true on paper (and the old testament isn’t any better), it’s blatantly not true among actual Muslims in real life - not any that I or anyone I know has ever met. There’s extremists in every group, but *4 out of 10*?! I think I’d have noticed…

]]> by: paddyjames http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5747 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:26:50 +0000 http://www.theslant.co.uk/2007/01/30/daily-mail-warns-uk-muslims-want-to-destroy-you/#comment-5747 But supposing it's true? You are talking about a 'culture' that is facistic, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic and racist; why wouldn't any 'good' mohammedan hate everything about the West? But supposing it’s true? You are talking about a ‘culture’ that is facistic, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic and racist; why wouldn’t any ‘good’ mohammedan hate everything about the West?

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